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Hey guys, it's me, Yaya Diamond.

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What's up?

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We got more music.

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Wait, so it's... I am not

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warm.

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I should never do that while

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I'm not warm.

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But I absolutely had to take

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opera in college.

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And yes, I did two years

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of Italian opera, of all things.

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I still don't know what I

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was singing.

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But anyway, nevermind that.

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All right, so we have a

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gentleman here that is just an

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amazing person.

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But before we get to him,

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I want to do this.

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I literally want to go ahead

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and put this up as spirituals

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and you guys know that I

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am all into it because my

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great uncle was Robert McFerrin Sr.

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and he sang Raising the Sun

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for Young Best and he sang

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Negro Spirituals and this just touched

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me like to no end.

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I am just so so very

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excited to have my next guest

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on but before

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we do that, I must do

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this.

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Hold tight, guys.

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I'm going to go ahead and

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go into something really cool.

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You see, my people found in

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the grandeur of the biblical word

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and poetry a fountain of illimitable

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solace.

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You see, the text of these

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folk songs are a blend of

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versified religious paraphrases and amplifying

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remarks

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of the poets.

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You see, the spiritualists share basic

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human qualities, regardless of race, creed,

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or color.

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And they speak of that endless

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search for a better understanding of

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the divine law.

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The divine law which shapes the

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destinies of men.

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These Africans captured for the southern

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plantations

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brought with them many parts of

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Africa, their various cultures, skills and

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a creative power.

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These transplanted Africans fused their

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American

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experiences and then produced a new

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art, the Afro-American religious folk song,

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The Spiritual.

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Oh

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my gosh, that just like

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touched me so.

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You don't even understand because I

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was all into it and then

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I forgot that it was just

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a little excerpt.

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But we do have the gentleman

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that is doing this, and his

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name is Jackson Caesar.

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I hope I said that right.

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Is he the Cesar?

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Because Cesar is like a Hispanic

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name, so Cesar.

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Or is Caesar or Cesar, Cesar.

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Well, nevermind.

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It doesn't matter because he is

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an American recording artist, singer, producer,

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lecturer, educator, documentarian, and an

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author.

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And I wanna welcome him to

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the show.

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Thank you so much, Jackson, for

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being here.

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I know I probably tortured your

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very last name.

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And I'm so very sorry.

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It's OK.

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It's actually Caesar.

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And actually, it depends on where

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I go in the world.

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When I was in Italy, they

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pronounced it differently because, you know.

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Caesar.

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Yes, yes.

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Yeah.

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Or it could be Kaiser.

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I, Kaiser, that's true, that's true.

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That's like, no one ever thinks

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Kaiser though.

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It's either Caesar or Cesar.

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Or Cesare, yeah.

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There you go, there you go.

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Well, thank you so much for

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being on the show.

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I appreciate you.

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Thank you for having me.

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No matter what name you're called,

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you kind of know it's you.

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That's so true.

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I know it's me.

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for the most part, I mean,

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tell us how you really truly

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immersed yourself into this.

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And I know that we, you

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know, this is like Black History

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Month and you got the spirituals,

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but tell me why and tell

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me how.

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So I was introduced to the

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music of Roland Hayes back in when I was studying

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voice

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lessons at the University of the

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District of Columbia.

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And I was talking to a

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friend of mine who was teaching

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at Lincoln University in Pennsylvania at

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the time.

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And he passed away last year,

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as a matter of fact.

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But he says, well, since you're

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taking voice lessons, you need to

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sing the songs of Roland Hayes.

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And I was like, I don't

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know who that is.

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And he goes, oh, he sings

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a song called Little Boy.

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You need to learn that.

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So he sends it to me

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in the mail.

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At that time, I gave it

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to my voice teacher and I

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said, OK, so someone sent this

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to me and said that I

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should probably be singing some songs

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from his collection.

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And it's called My Favorite Spirituals.

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And so she looked at the

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book and she says, oh, yes,

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you need to learn a lot

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about this man.

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You need to know about Roland

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Hayes.

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So I took it upon myself

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to look into his life, his

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music, and his legacy.

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And I was blown away.

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And I was like, wait a

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minute.

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How is it that I've never

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heard of this guy before?

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And he's got a stack of

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collection, a collection of spirituals.

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I'm like,

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Who is singing his material?

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So I started going through the

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material.

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Now, I've been to many concerts

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and recitals where people sing spirituals.

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Now, I call these pop tunes

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because some of the spirituals you've

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heard before, like Ride on King

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Jesus, Deep River, these are the

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pop tunes you hear all the

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time.

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But in this collection, these are

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songs that you've never heard of

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before.

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I was like, wait a minute,

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I've never heard of this guy

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before.

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So I'm so glad that she

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allowed me to sing some songs

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from his collection.

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And I was just blown away

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because he has a whole book

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out and a lot of the

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songs we have not heard of

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before.

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That is amazing.

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And I'm looking at your website,

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as you can see here, and

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I'm seeing that you have some

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things coming up.

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Well, you did that.

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Oh, yeah.

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I just finished it all.

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So now it's all interviews.

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Wait a minute.

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I'm so late.

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But how did these go?

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And you tell me, because you

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were saying earlier how a lot

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of times people will actually raise

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their hand with questions.

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Did you get questions about who

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this gentleman was?

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Who is Roland Hayes?

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Yes, we'll do your shows.

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Right.

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So what happened is I decided

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he has a this book has spirituals.

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And I was like, Okay, I

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need to put these together in

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one concert.

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I want to be able to

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do it for I've never attended

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a concert full of spirituals from

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from like a solo artist.

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It's always been classical and then

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the end in spirituals.

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So I had to choose.

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So I chose of 20 the and I started touring it.

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And this started in, I used

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to say but I think

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it started in really.

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So I started touring it.

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And then at the end of

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the concert, I'm like, thank you,

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I've sung songs and I'm

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done, right?

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And then people started raising their

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hands and I'm just like, oh,

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okay, yes, how can I help

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you?

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And they started asking questions about,

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well, did he have any children?

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Was he married?

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And I was like, okay, so

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I'm answering questions and I'm like,

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okay, so this has turned into

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a Q&A.

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So then I decided to, yes,

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as you're showing there, I decided

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to come up with a bundle

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because it depends on what they

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want for.

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So now whenever people call me

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up and say, we want to

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book you to do your Roland

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Hayes project, I'm like, OK, pick

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a bundle.

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And what's been popular lately is

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a lecture mini concert.

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And I'm actually having fun.

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I did that last weekend, as

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a matter of fact.

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And that was so much fun,

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to be able to give a

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presentation and to talk about his

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music, his life, and his legacy,

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and then to conclude with a

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few songs.

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And I sang about seven songs,

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no, maybe eight songs.

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And they loved it.

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And so I've just been, yeah,

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it's just been a wonderful experience

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to have, to hear about his

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music, his life, and his legacy.

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That is so unique.

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I am so sorry.

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That's like, I have not heard

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of anybody say, okay, well, you

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know, I want to see this.

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Pick a bundle.

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Hey!

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So the first bundle can be

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a full concert.

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And if they're OK with Q&A,

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we can do that.

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The second bundle could be a

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mini concert or a lecture and

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a mini concert.

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And then the third bundle can

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be just to bring me in,

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because I've been on panels before

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where they're having a panel about

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the spirituals.

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So I've been on panels before,

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or if you just want to

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interview me.

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Like, I did an interview with

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NPR News not too long ago,

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and it was just that.

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So sometimes you just pick a

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bundle.

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So yeah.

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Wow.

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I'm going to have to do

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bundles.

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It really helps consolidate things.

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I mean, it's like, okay, so,

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you know, that's a brilliant idea.

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It's so good.

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I love that.

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I love that idea.

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Because not only do you bring

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something new and refreshing, but old

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and, you know, historical, but you

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also can bring, if they decided,

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like the whole history with it.

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It's just ingenious.

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Yes, thank you.

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I'm glad I could help.

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I listen to my fans.

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And when I hear them, I

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listen to, I pay attention to

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my fans.

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And this is what's helped my

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career today because of my fans.

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I listen to my fans.

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That is wonderful.

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Maybe I should be listening to

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them.

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I always do.

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I always try.

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So tell me about this.

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So we are in Black History

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Month.

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We get days. 28

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That is correct.

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You better hurry up.

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You better hurry up, because it's

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a few days less than everybody

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else.

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Yes, yes, yes.

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So, I mean, you go, we

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got the short stick of it

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all, but it doesn't matter because

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we got a stick.

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And within that, how important is

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it that we use our stick

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to actually promote Black history, especially

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in these days and times when

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they were taking history out of

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the school systems and everything, and

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they're changing everything, and they're making

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us look like as if we

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were only slaves, and we weren't.

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We were kings and queens at

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one point.

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You know, I see that a

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lot of whites are actually teaching

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African American and Afro history because

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they say that it should not

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be excluded.

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So it's not just black people

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doing it or African Americans, it's

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Caucasians, it's people seeing that, you

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know, this is an injustice and

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February is Black History Month.

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So how important is it really

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for us to know our history?

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Well, I like to say this

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first, that Black history is American

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history.

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That's been the theme here lately,

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that everyone's saying Black history is

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American history, and you can't get

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away from it.

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They can try not to talk

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about it, but there's no way

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around it.

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If anyone has lived the American

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dream,

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it has been the blacks or

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Um, why it's important.

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T important.

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Other reasons because a lot of

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people don blacks don't even know

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th Kent State in Ohio.

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Have yo

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Yes.

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Okay, Dr. Carter.

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Yes.

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So a lot of people don't

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realize that it started at Kent

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State.

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It always took place on the

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second week or that particular week

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of Abraham Lincoln's birthday and Frederick

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Douglass' birthday.

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Abraham Lincoln's birthday is on February

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12th.

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Frederick Douglass' is on Valentine's Day.

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So it was always gonna be

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around that time that they celebrated

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the Black history.

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So it was like three days

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and then it went to a

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whole week.

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And then it started jumping around

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to different universities.

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Now Kent State is not an

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HBCU, although it started there.

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So it started jumping around to

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different universities, different colleges and

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universities.

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And then it was during the

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bicentennial

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celebration of President Gerald Ford.

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So we just had President's Day

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yesterday.

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And I always say to people,

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if there's one president that I

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give recognition to, it's President Gerald

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Ford, because it was during the

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bicentennial celebration of the

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our country being years. 200

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And he says, why is Black

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history one week?

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Why is it just one month

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in certain areas and one week

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in other areas?

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He goes, I'm going to go

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ahead and make it a national

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observation.

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And so because of President Gerald

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Ford, we have Black History Month.

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officially.

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And so a lot of people

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go, oh, it was the shortest

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month.

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But he was actually jumping on

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our bandwagon.

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So we started with three days

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and then to a whole week.

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And then it became a nationwide

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thing.

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And then we started going, let's

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just go ahead and go with

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the whole month.

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And then he goes, let's go

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with it.

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That's right.

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Come on, we went from three

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days to

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Come on, y'all.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, you know, I appreciate what

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we can get because any contribution

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we can give to our nation,

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it's valid regardless.

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You know, just get it out

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there.

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And as you mentioned earlier, that

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the whites are now starting, or

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we'll say academia or the mainstream

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is starting to incorporate what we

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have contributed to this country.

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Exactly, they are.

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And it's, I think it's beautiful

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because, you know, there's so many

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different, I don't, okay, so how

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do you say this?

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Like people who are not of

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color adopting children of color, you

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know, there's a lot of cross

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going on, you know, where grandparents

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that are completely Caucasian have mixed

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black and white grandchildren.

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So they're understanding that this is

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not something that's not touching them.

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And they want their grandchildren and

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their children and their adopted children,

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their foster children to understand that

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they are someone special, not just

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slaves or you come from slaves

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or this, but you come from

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a culture that's rich with music,

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with love, with admiration, with history,

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with farming, with, you know, with

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culture and clothing and leather and

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everything.

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It's just one soul.

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There's a richness in the African-American

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diaspora or the African diaspora.

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One thing that I found that

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is quite fascinating, and even Roland

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Hayes, when he mentioned that there's

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an endless search to the divine

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law, as you played earlier of

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me portraying him on my project

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there, he says that all the

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Africans brought with them certain things.

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Now, here's what's fascinating about the

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spirituals.

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Roland Hayes said that they brought

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with them certain things.

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Now, if you have studied or

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have observed many cultures in Africa,

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their languages, because they have a

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vast, you know, of languages.

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Now, a lot of the languages

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uses symbols and codes.

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to communicate.

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So it's no surprise that when

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the pilgrims or the missionaries came

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to teach us the hymns, that

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we basically put a twist on

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it because of what's embedded in

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us, right?

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We gave it a double entendre,

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as they say, and so we

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had these codes and symbols in

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a lot of the music.

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So that's the power that Roland

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Hayes is speaking of, the power

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of the spirituals, because it's not

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just like, oh, we're singing a

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song, but yet there's a double

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entendre, meaning there's a code, there's

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a symbol, a symbolic-nism to it

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that's related to who we are.

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And that's how we spoke, that's

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how we communicated.

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And it's just fascinating to me

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that the spirituals did that.

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And with the troubles that we're

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going through right now, we might

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need some more spirituals.

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You know what I'm saying?

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I know what you mean.

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We might need to go back

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to some spirituals, man.

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I'll tell you what, I'll tell

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you, you know, it sounds like

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Mr. Rowan Hayes is your favorite

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or most inspirational character.

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So when you learned about him,

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was he, or is there your,

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do you have a favorite?

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I mean, who is the most

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influential and favorite that you may

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have today from black history?

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Well, it depends on which area

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of profession that they were in.

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Okay.

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So yes for me.

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That's a big answer.

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Yeah, right.

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I mean, because I have, it's

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not just one, it's like quite

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a few.

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So if you want to go

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into like the medical field, I

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can give you somebody.

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If you want to go into,

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it depends on the field or

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the specific area that they were

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in.

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So yes, for music, he is,

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because it wasn't until, I'm originally

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from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

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And it wasn't until I moved

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to Washington, D.C. years 22 ago that the

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spirituals

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was this new thing for me.

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And there's an appreciation of the

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spirituals that I, I mean, in

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the DMV area out here that

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I'd never experienced back home.

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And it blew me away.

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And I was like, well, wait

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a minute now.

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I need to learn more about

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these spirituals.

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And then when I got to

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his music, he, in that song

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book that he has, there are

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sections in there where he's actually

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teaching you like he did in

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that.

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example that you played earlier.

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This is why I had to

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portray him, because I'm like, people

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need to know that this is

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what he said.

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He's teaching you about the spirituals

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and the richness in it, not

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just to be taken lightly, that

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there's something unique and something genuine

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for it.

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And we can learn something from

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it, not just music.

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We can learn something from it.

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And I think that's very important

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to our culture, our nation,

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And it just moved me.

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So that's where it all started.

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So he was teaching me the

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spirituals, and now I have a

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greater appreciation for them.

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Because I didn't have that at

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first.

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I hear you.

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You know, again, until you know

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thyself.

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Until you know that stuff, until

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you know where you come from,

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like the pieces of you, you

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know, cause you know, as you

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dig deeper into your own makeup,

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you, you go and as you

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get older too, you, you want

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to know like, wow, I'm like

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me, I'm part Irish, but I'm

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like Irish.

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That's a lot of percentage of

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Irish.

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I have no idea what Ireland

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looks like.

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I have Irish cousins that live

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in Ireland.

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I don't know them.

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It would be beautiful to know

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a piece of you.

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So that would be a culture

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that's completely new to me.

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Like, you know, a lot of

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us, we walk around with dark

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skin and we don't know our

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own culture.

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And I think, you know, there

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comes a time where we go,

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wait a minute, hold on a

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second.

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I must have been, or I

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must have come from better genes

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than what they're telling me.

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And obviously you have a documentary

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out.

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Tell me about that.

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What inspired you to do that?

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So what you have up there

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in the corner there, the spiritual

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celebrating the music life and legacy

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of Roland Hayes, that is the

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documentary.

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Now it's an audio documentary.

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So people are like, they're placing

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their order and they're like, I

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got your DVD.

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I'm like, actually, it's an audio

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documentary.

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I did what I could afford.

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And so when you listen to

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it, and it's online too, but

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when you listen to it, the

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first disc, it's in three discs,

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the first disc is the concert

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experience.

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And I put that together to

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say, because Roland Hayes never put

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together an all spirituals concert.

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He always performed the classical pieces

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first, and then he concluded his

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recitals and concerts with spirituals.

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And in fact, this, if you've

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ever attended a recital of a

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classical student or a professional, everyone

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starts out with their classical pieces,

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and they always conclude with the

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spirituals.

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Roland Hayes was a trendsetter for

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that.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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He started that movement, and then

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everyone picked up on it.

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And now it's a global thing.

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Everyone's doing it, not just the

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Blacks.

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Everyone's doing it.

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Anyone who's studying music, they're doing

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that.

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And it's a wonderful contribution.

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It's a wonderful tribute, shall we

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say.

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So the first disc is all

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of the songs.

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And then the second disc is

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me portraying him as he's telling

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his life.

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giving us information about his growing

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up when he was with his

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father and his mother.

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Then when his father passed away,

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they relocated to Chattanooga, Tennessee.

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While they were there, he was

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growing up, and then he moved

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to Nashville, Tennessee to attend Fisk

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University, which is a HBCU, because

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they were the Fisk Jubilee Singers.

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If you've heard of them, they

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were internationally known.

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Roland Hayes became a Fisk Jubilee

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Singer and began singing with them

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and touring with them.

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There's an interesting story about that.

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I'm going to try to not

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bounce around so much, but I

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have to share this.

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Roland Hayes did not finish Fisk

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University.

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He was there for like four

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years.

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They kicked him out because he

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started singing with the Fisk singers,

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and then he formed an ensemble

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group.

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And then he started getting paid

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on the school's name.

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Yeah, and that's a no-no.

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So they kicked him out of

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that, out of school for that.

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He got kicked out?

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Yes.

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Here's the kicker, though.

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Roland Hayes takes his money, and

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he goes right back to Europe,

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because that's where the Fitzgerald Lee

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singers were singing for kings and

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queens in Europe.

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So Roland Hayes goes back to

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Europe and basically says to the

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kings and queens, do you remember

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the group, the Fitzgerald Lee singers?

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I was a member of that.

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Now I'm here alone.

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I can do a concert for

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you.

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Then he became a staple singer

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and they invited him.

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So then next thing you know,

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he's touring Europe for years.

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Oh my gosh.

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Stop it.

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You know, we make so much.

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We make our lives so complicated.

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That was just so simple.

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He, I know, right?

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He had the drive.

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He took a risk.

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And that's the thing about being

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an artist that separates you from

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just being a performer.

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If you're an artist, you're willing

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to take more risks.

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And that's what he did.

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He took a risk and went

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out there and be like, and

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then he became a staple singer,

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performer.

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And then now we know of

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him today.

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because of that risk, you know?

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He spends years 12 over there,

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then he comes back to the

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United States, relocates from Georgia,

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California,

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Georgia, where he's from, and goes

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to Boston, Massachusetts area, but he

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lives in Brookline, and for the

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remainder of his life, for the years of his life

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there.

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And I mean, it's a fascinating

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story.

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He gets an opportunity to sing,

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the first African-American to sing with

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a major symphony orchestra, which is

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the Boston Symphony Orchestra.

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Oh, wow.

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Yeah.

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And then he does three major

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concerts at Carnegie Hall, sold out

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every time.

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Funny story about Carnegie Hall.

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He gets the old phone book

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and he goes through and he's

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calling everybody in the phone book

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saying there's an amazing singer who's

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going to be in concert at

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Carnegie Hall.

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He's taking risks, right, you know?

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I love him, oh my gosh.

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That is just so, I have

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to, wait a minute now.

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I am undershooting myself here.

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Like literally, I have to go.

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I'm telling you.

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Oh my gosh, really?

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Duh.

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Yeah.

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Duh.

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Oh my God.

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And you know, and now we

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know of him today, you know?

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So it's like, he worked hard.

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He worked hard.

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Oh my gosh.

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That is just like, duh.

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You know?

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Oh my gosh.

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That is so, I mean, so

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grassroots.

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Yeah, so grassroots.

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So you have your you have

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your audio version and I do

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have that up here and people

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can go to your website Jackson

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Caesar.com and check out all the

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pages that we've been showing on

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Yes, and there's a booklet that

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comes with it too, and it's

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got some information in it that

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you probably can't find anywhere else,

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so I'm pleased to share that

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as well.

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Awesome, awesome.

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And you also have a song,

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you have the audio, you have

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a song, you have a question.

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Okay, so you do the struggles

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and experiences during the show as

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well?

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Yes, I do talk about that.

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It's also on the audio as

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well.

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The only thing I did not

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mention is when he was younger

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and he worked in a factory

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and he got injured from a

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conveyor belt.

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I didn't mention that, but that's

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when he decided to go into

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musical time because his father passed

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away, so he had to try

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to be the man of the

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family.

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Even though he was the sixth

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of seven, he was trying to

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step up his game to help

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his family out.

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But he almost died in a

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conveyor belt.

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So he didn't share that part.

00:25:20.173 --> 00:25:21.074 align:center
I would have left too, would

00:25:21.094 --> 00:25:22.494 align:center
have been like, oh no.

00:25:24.537 --> 00:25:25.237 align:center
Time to go back to your

00:25:25.257 --> 00:25:25.858 align:center
spirituals.

00:25:27.159 --> 00:25:28.659 align:center
Oh, I almost lost my finger

00:25:28.699 --> 00:25:28.879 align:center
there.

00:25:28.980 --> 00:25:30.440 align:center
Almost lost my finger.

00:25:30.861 --> 00:25:32.742 align:center
Time to sing a spiritual.

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I'm out.

00:25:33.742 --> 00:25:34.242 align:center
I'm out.

00:25:34.983 --> 00:25:35.783 align:center
I can use my voice.

00:25:35.863 --> 00:25:36.884 align:center
I don't need to use anything

00:25:36.944 --> 00:25:37.084 align:center
else.

00:25:37.124 --> 00:25:37.644 align:center
I'm good.

00:25:37.985 --> 00:25:40.106 align:center
He called people on the freaking

00:25:40.326 --> 00:25:40.946 align:center
phone.

00:25:41.006 --> 00:25:41.387 align:center
There it is.

00:25:41.407 --> 00:25:41.787 align:center
Yes.

00:25:44.076 --> 00:25:45.757 align:center
Yes, and so, but when he

00:25:45.777 --> 00:25:47.718 align:center
was in Chattanooga, he was taking

00:25:47.778 --> 00:25:50.519 align:center
voice lessons and he heard an

00:25:50.639 --> 00:25:53.141 align:center
audio recording of Enrico Caruso, who

00:25:53.161 --> 00:25:56.182 align:center
was a famous Italian tenor, Enrico

00:25:56.222 --> 00:25:57.803 align:center
Caruso, and it was on a

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phonograph.

00:25:58.483 --> 00:25:59.524 align:center
And he was just like, well,

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I've never heard singing like that

00:26:00.765 --> 00:26:01.145 align:center
before.

00:26:01.785 --> 00:26:03.306 align:center
And so that's what made him,

00:26:03.486 --> 00:26:04.947 align:center
well, that's what inspired him to

00:26:04.987 --> 00:26:06.828 align:center
take voice lessons, to end up

00:26:07.068 --> 00:26:10.289 align:center
going to university and becoming a

00:26:10.370 --> 00:26:10.810 align:center
famous singer.

00:26:10.850 --> 00:26:12.291 align:center
He wanted to be like Enrico

00:26:12.331 --> 00:26:12.871 align:center
Caruso.

00:26:14.690 --> 00:26:15.731 align:center
You have got to be kidding

00:26:15.751 --> 00:26:15.852 align:center
me.

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You know, I have learned so

00:26:17.073 --> 00:26:18.475 align:center
much on this interview today that

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I am ready to get the

00:26:20.157 --> 00:26:21.859 align:center
old yellow book ages.

00:26:25.624 --> 00:26:25.885 align:center
I am.

00:26:26.285 --> 00:26:27.647 align:center
I'm calling you.

00:26:28.047 --> 00:26:29.029 align:center
OK.

00:26:29.629 --> 00:26:31.091 align:center
I would call you and say,

00:26:31.111 --> 00:26:32.173 align:center
hey, there's a new band in

00:26:32.193 --> 00:26:32.593 align:center
town.

00:26:32.733 --> 00:26:33.174 align:center
Yeah.

00:26:36.397 --> 00:26:38.378 align:center
That is just so grassroots, it's

00:26:38.398 --> 00:26:38.958 align:center
just amazing.

00:26:39.318 --> 00:26:40.699 align:center
And your show, you as a

00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:42.699 align:center
vocalist as well, because all this

00:26:42.739 --> 00:26:44.180 align:center
time we've been talking about Roland

00:26:44.220 --> 00:26:45.921 align:center
Hayes and what he's done, but

00:26:46.021 --> 00:26:48.101 align:center
you are actually the voice behind

00:26:48.161 --> 00:26:48.541 align:center
him now.

00:26:48.642 --> 00:26:50.042 align:center
You are the one shouting in

00:26:50.062 --> 00:26:51.623 align:center
the wilderness that he did exist

00:26:52.043 --> 00:26:53.183 align:center
and that he has done so

00:26:53.243 --> 00:26:55.344 align:center
much for the music industry and

00:26:55.424 --> 00:26:57.285 align:center
for Negro spirituals and things like

00:26:57.325 --> 00:26:57.525 align:center
that.

00:26:58.485 --> 00:26:59.746 align:center
What about you?

00:26:59.846 --> 00:27:01.646 align:center
When you put yourself into this,

00:27:01.786 --> 00:27:02.987 align:center
what does that make you feel

00:27:03.047 --> 00:27:03.227 align:center
like?

00:27:05.048 --> 00:27:06.269 align:center
Representation, right?

00:27:06.369 --> 00:27:07.409 align:center
You know, I feel like I'm

00:27:07.569 --> 00:27:09.890 align:center
helping to keep his legacy going.

00:27:09.950 --> 00:27:11.171 align:center
I'm helping to keep his story

00:27:11.251 --> 00:27:11.891 align:center
alive.

00:27:12.572 --> 00:27:14.272 align:center
I'm helping to keep the spirituals,

00:27:14.672 --> 00:27:16.473 align:center
which is deeply rooted in who

00:27:16.513 --> 00:27:17.914 align:center
we are as Americans.

00:27:18.134 --> 00:27:19.054 align:center
In fact, I feel like the

00:27:19.114 --> 00:27:21.155 align:center
spirituals is the, they are the

00:27:21.235 --> 00:27:22.996 align:center
Kickstarter to many of the genres

00:27:23.036 --> 00:27:23.857 align:center
that we have today.

00:27:25.037 --> 00:27:27.278 align:center
when you consider the blues, when

00:27:27.298 --> 00:27:29.780 align:center
you consider the swing and jazz,

00:27:29.820 --> 00:27:31.560 align:center
when you consider the gospel, you

00:27:32.381 --> 00:27:34.642 align:center
know, they came through folk music.

00:27:35.022 --> 00:27:36.263 align:center
And so I feel like by

00:27:36.303 --> 00:27:37.243 align:center
me doing this, I'm going to

00:27:37.303 --> 00:27:38.424 align:center
keep that alive.

00:27:38.484 --> 00:27:39.585 align:center
Because if we're not going to

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teach it in schools, and we

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got to share it some other

00:27:41.546 --> 00:27:42.686 align:center
kind of way, we do, we're

00:27:42.706 --> 00:27:43.687 align:center
not going to share the true

00:27:43.747 --> 00:27:45.248 align:center
American history, then I'm going to

00:27:45.268 --> 00:27:46.008 align:center
be the one I'm going to

00:27:46.028 --> 00:27:47.048 align:center
be that voice to share the

00:27:47.109 --> 00:27:47.969 align:center
true American history.

00:27:48.314 --> 00:27:48.794 align:center
I hear you.

00:27:48.814 --> 00:27:49.675 align:center
I hear you.

00:27:49.695 --> 00:27:50.575 align:center
Wow.

00:27:50.755 --> 00:27:51.535 align:center
That is amazing.

00:27:51.676 --> 00:27:52.516 align:center
I want to thank you so

00:27:52.556 --> 00:27:53.616 align:center
much for being on the show.

00:27:54.137 --> 00:27:57.998 align:center
And you know, JacksonCaesar.com, Spencer,

00:27:58.058 --> 00:27:58.318 align:center
what's

00:27:58.338 --> 00:28:01.380 align:center
another way to pronounce it?

00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:02.500 align:center
What was that?

00:28:02.900 --> 00:28:03.681 align:center
Jackson Caesar.

00:28:04.241 --> 00:28:07.405 align:center
Jackson Caesar, Cesar, Jackson Cesar, for

00:28:07.626 --> 00:28:09.148 align:center
all the Spanish people out there.

00:28:09.829 --> 00:28:11.311 align:center
And then you have, what was

00:28:11.331 --> 00:28:11.912 align:center
the other one?

00:28:11.932 --> 00:28:14.856 align:center
The hard C, the C. Oh,

00:28:14.956 --> 00:28:15.476 align:center
Kaiser.

00:28:15.677 --> 00:28:17.659 align:center
Yeah, you know Kaiser Permanente?

00:28:17.719 --> 00:28:19.262 align:center
That's German for Caesar.

00:28:19.802 --> 00:28:20.722 align:center
Oh, my God.

00:28:20.802 --> 00:28:21.162 align:center
Yeah.

00:28:21.182 --> 00:28:22.563 align:center
So if you're German, it's Kaiser.

00:28:23.843 --> 00:28:24.263 align:center
Kaiser.

00:28:24.603 --> 00:28:25.583 align:center
OK, we just want to make

00:28:25.623 --> 00:28:27.104 align:center
sure that we're supporting, you know,

00:28:27.384 --> 00:28:29.044 align:center
I truly, truly appreciate what you're

00:28:29.104 --> 00:28:29.444 align:center
doing.

00:28:29.604 --> 00:28:30.784 align:center
And I think it's a selfless

00:28:30.824 --> 00:28:32.905 align:center
thing to actually put yourself behind

00:28:32.965 --> 00:28:34.505 align:center
someone who's already done something.

00:28:35.245 --> 00:28:37.546 align:center
And it kind of like and

00:28:37.586 --> 00:28:38.686 align:center
I'm not saying this in a

00:28:38.946 --> 00:28:39.666 align:center
in a weird way.

00:28:39.866 --> 00:28:41.426 align:center
It's kind of like putting, you

00:28:41.466 --> 00:28:44.187 align:center
know, Roland before you and people

00:28:44.307 --> 00:28:46.507 align:center
remember Roland before they remember you.

00:28:47.528 --> 00:28:48.528 align:center
How does that make you feel?

00:28:49.454 --> 00:28:50.415 align:center
I don't feel bad at all.

00:28:50.735 --> 00:28:51.917 align:center
I feel really good about it

00:28:52.457 --> 00:28:54.880 align:center
because I feel like it's inspirational

00:28:54.900 --> 00:28:55.260 align:center
to me.

00:28:55.600 --> 00:28:56.822 align:center
And when I share his story,

00:28:56.882 --> 00:28:58.443 align:center
his music, his life and his

00:28:58.503 --> 00:29:00.545 align:center
legacy, it's inspirational to everyone else.

00:29:00.806 --> 00:29:02.647 align:center
That's the wonderful thing about inspiration.

00:29:03.368 --> 00:29:04.790 align:center
It just continues to inspire.

00:29:05.390 --> 00:29:05.650 align:center
Wow.

00:29:05.770 --> 00:29:07.352 align:center
And you know, people, some people

00:29:07.732 --> 00:29:08.392 align:center
want to do this.

00:29:08.813 --> 00:29:10.314 align:center
Some people actually want to do

00:29:10.414 --> 00:29:12.956 align:center
something for their culture, for their

00:29:12.996 --> 00:29:15.077 align:center
mama, their daddy, whoever that came

00:29:15.097 --> 00:29:16.678 align:center
back, you know, to, to put

00:29:16.718 --> 00:29:19.761 align:center
that, that person that really represented

00:29:19.821 --> 00:29:22.042 align:center
what they feel was the ultimate

00:29:22.082 --> 00:29:23.864 align:center
representation of what they believe.

00:29:24.444 --> 00:29:25.565 align:center
What kind of advice do you

00:29:25.605 --> 00:29:26.866 align:center
give those people who want to

00:29:26.906 --> 00:29:27.166 align:center
start?

00:29:27.206 --> 00:29:28.387 align:center
I mean, there is no yellow

00:29:28.407 --> 00:29:30.469 align:center
book, phone book pages anymore.

00:29:31.189 --> 00:29:32.313 align:center
She can't be making no phone

00:29:32.353 --> 00:29:33.757 align:center
calls, but what can we, because

00:29:33.797 --> 00:29:35.783 align:center
people are gonna hang up anyway.

00:29:36.389 --> 00:29:39.111 align:center
Yeah, times have changed, right?

00:29:40.111 --> 00:29:41.012 align:center
If I get a call now,

00:29:41.052 --> 00:29:41.912 align:center
I'm not going to answer it

00:29:41.932 --> 00:29:42.953 align:center
because I don't know that number.

00:29:42.973 --> 00:29:47.635 align:center
But I just say to everyone,

00:29:47.755 --> 00:29:49.336 align:center
just like Roland Hayes inspired me,

00:29:49.916 --> 00:29:51.337 align:center
because someone had to tell me

00:29:51.397 --> 00:29:52.898 align:center
too, Jackson, you need to believe

00:29:52.918 --> 00:29:53.338 align:center
in yourself.

00:29:53.398 --> 00:29:54.079 align:center
You've already got it.

00:29:54.139 --> 00:29:55.219 align:center
Everything you need is right in

00:29:55.259 --> 00:29:55.459 align:center
you.

00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:56.600 align:center
You just need to believe in

00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:57.040 align:center
yourself.

00:29:57.500 --> 00:29:59.281 align:center
And Roland Hayes believed in himself,

00:30:00.062 --> 00:30:00.822 align:center
and he took a risk.

00:30:02.526 --> 00:30:03.848 align:center
And he wanted to share our

00:30:04.248 --> 00:30:07.052 align:center
heritage, the richness in the African-American

00:30:07.292 --> 00:30:07.753 align:center
culture.

00:30:08.314 --> 00:30:10.016 align:center
And so I think that's what

00:30:10.036 --> 00:30:10.657 align:center
we should be doing.

00:30:10.977 --> 00:30:12.139 align:center
So I take that from him

00:30:12.399 --> 00:30:13.180 align:center
and I pass it on to

00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:13.761 align:center
everyone else.

00:30:14.121 --> 00:30:16.364 align:center
Take a risk, follow your dreams.

00:30:18.703 --> 00:30:19.304 align:center
Keep the culture.

00:30:19.324 --> 00:30:20.985 align:center
Definitely.

00:30:21.125 --> 00:30:22.946 align:center
Thank you so very much.

00:30:23.227 --> 00:30:25.709 align:center
This is a lot of fun.

00:30:25.729 --> 00:30:27.030 align:center
I really appreciate that.

00:30:27.250 --> 00:30:28.351 align:center
I absolutely love it.

00:30:28.471 --> 00:30:29.391 align:center
And I think that you're doing

00:30:29.432 --> 00:30:30.172 align:center
an amazing job.

00:30:30.232 --> 00:30:30.933 align:center
Keep going.

00:30:31.033 --> 00:30:32.354 align:center
And you're inspiring me to do

00:30:32.394 --> 00:30:32.954 align:center
some bundles.

00:30:33.715 --> 00:30:34.175 align:center
Oh, OK.

00:30:34.235 --> 00:30:34.736 align:center
I love it.

00:30:35.136 --> 00:30:35.817 align:center
My pleasure.

00:30:38.138 --> 00:30:39.258 align:center
It's like you get inspired to

00:30:39.278 --> 00:30:40.359 align:center
do so many different things because

00:30:40.379 --> 00:30:41.959 align:center
I've learned so much from everyone

00:30:41.979 --> 00:30:43.460 align:center
that's been on this show and

00:30:43.520 --> 00:30:44.701 align:center
from you as well.

00:30:44.861 --> 00:30:46.241 align:center
And it's just, it's a wonderful

00:30:46.281 --> 00:30:47.722 align:center
thing to see that, you know,

00:30:47.762 --> 00:30:51.384 align:center
we're continually learning about things maybe

00:30:51.404 --> 00:30:52.924 align:center
in the past, maybe ourselves, our

00:30:52.964 --> 00:30:53.405 align:center
futures.

00:30:53.965 --> 00:30:54.945 align:center
And I want to thank you

00:30:54.965 --> 00:30:56.346 align:center
so much for being here and

00:30:56.386 --> 00:30:58.087 align:center
for showing people what you're doing

00:30:58.287 --> 00:30:59.747 align:center
and also for doing what you're

00:30:59.767 --> 00:30:59.907 align:center
doing.

00:30:59.927 --> 00:31:01.108 align:center
What are you doing next?

00:31:03.012 --> 00:31:03.732 align:center
Well, there's a lot.

00:31:03.792 --> 00:31:05.033 align:center
I have enough on my calendar

00:31:05.073 --> 00:31:05.793 align:center
to keep me busy.

00:31:05.813 --> 00:31:07.874 align:center
I always start with December because

00:31:07.914 --> 00:31:09.455 align:center
that's my banner month.

00:31:10.115 --> 00:31:11.155 align:center
From Thanksgiving all the way through

00:31:11.195 --> 00:31:12.216 align:center
Christmas, I'm busy.

00:31:12.596 --> 00:31:15.317 align:center
I'm on tour with Christmas concerts

00:31:15.357 --> 00:31:15.737 align:center
everywhere.

00:31:16.137 --> 00:31:16.898 align:center
And then I get a break

00:31:16.938 --> 00:31:17.518 align:center
in January.

00:31:17.578 --> 00:31:19.079 align:center
And then February, I'm busy.

00:31:19.479 --> 00:31:20.439 align:center
Now, a lot of the things

00:31:20.479 --> 00:31:21.460 align:center
I don't put on my website,

00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:22.340 align:center
I have to clear this up,

00:31:22.760 --> 00:31:24.581 align:center
because I'm a ballroom singer.

00:31:24.861 --> 00:31:25.561 align:center
I get hired to do a

00:31:25.581 --> 00:31:27.062 align:center
lot of private engagements.

00:31:27.462 --> 00:31:28.802 align:center
So like I had one yesterday,

00:31:28.823 --> 00:31:29.823 align:center
I wouldn't put it down here.

00:31:30.143 --> 00:31:31.143 align:center
I have one coming up next

00:31:31.223 --> 00:31:31.664 align:center
Sunday.

00:31:31.684 --> 00:31:32.764 align:center
I can't put it on my

00:31:32.784 --> 00:31:33.905 align:center
website because it's private.

00:31:34.185 --> 00:31:35.105 align:center
But when I do have something

00:31:35.125 --> 00:31:36.125 align:center
that's open to the public, I

00:31:36.165 --> 00:31:37.226 align:center
do add that to the website.

00:31:37.266 --> 00:31:39.247 align:center
But I am very busy performing

00:31:39.447 --> 00:31:40.847 align:center
all over in the month of

00:31:40.887 --> 00:31:43.128 align:center
February with the Black History Project,

00:31:43.208 --> 00:31:44.369 align:center
which is this as my Black

00:31:44.389 --> 00:31:45.029 align:center
History Project.

00:31:45.871 --> 00:31:46.792 align:center
And then I get a break,

00:31:46.832 --> 00:31:49.233 align:center
and then there's award ceremonies for

00:31:49.333 --> 00:31:50.654 align:center
April and May, because people are

00:31:50.674 --> 00:31:51.195 align:center
graduating.

00:31:51.215 --> 00:31:52.355 align:center
So I get invitations to go

00:31:52.395 --> 00:31:52.616 align:center
there.

00:31:52.936 --> 00:31:54.077 align:center
And then during the summer months,

00:31:54.117 --> 00:31:55.217 align:center
because I have a book out,

00:31:55.658 --> 00:31:56.938 align:center
I do a lot of workshops

00:31:57.379 --> 00:32:00.761 align:center
and masterclasses during that time.

00:32:00.801 --> 00:32:01.602 align:center
So I have enough to keep

00:32:01.622 --> 00:32:02.102 align:center
me busy.

00:32:02.462 --> 00:32:03.343 align:center
But I do have some other

00:32:03.363 --> 00:32:04.283 align:center
projects coming up.

00:32:04.363 --> 00:32:05.664 align:center
I'm working on a children's book

00:32:05.684 --> 00:32:06.445 align:center
for Roland Hayes.

00:32:06.805 --> 00:32:08.106 align:center
I can't talk about it because

00:32:08.146 --> 00:32:09.967 align:center
I found a publisher.

00:32:11.608 --> 00:32:12.909 align:center
I found a publisher, so I

00:32:13.109 --> 00:32:14.330 align:center
have to wait till they say

00:32:14.350 --> 00:32:15.591 align:center
I can talk about it.

00:32:16.249 --> 00:32:17.069 align:center
That is wonderful.

00:32:17.149 --> 00:32:21.031 align:center
You know, my gosh, Jackson, you

00:32:21.051 --> 00:32:21.591 align:center
go boy.

00:32:22.971 --> 00:32:23.652 align:center
That's the plan.

00:32:23.692 --> 00:32:24.572 align:center
I'm going to keep going.

00:32:26.293 --> 00:32:27.473 align:center
Thank you so much.

00:32:27.633 --> 00:32:28.994 align:center
And I want to tell everybody

00:32:29.034 --> 00:32:30.554 align:center
to keep their eye out on

00:32:30.594 --> 00:32:33.055 align:center
your website for any upcoming dates

00:32:33.135 --> 00:32:35.496 align:center
that you might be available in

00:32:35.536 --> 00:32:36.176 align:center
their area.

00:32:36.797 --> 00:32:37.897 align:center
It's just such a pleasure to

00:32:37.977 --> 00:32:38.457 align:center
have you.

00:32:38.477 --> 00:32:39.418 align:center
Thank you so much.

00:32:39.438 --> 00:32:39.718 align:center
Thank you.

00:32:39.738 --> 00:32:40.858 align:center
Happy Black History Month and thanks

00:32:40.878 --> 00:32:41.658 align:center
for having me.

00:32:41.938 --> 00:32:43.139 align:center
You keep going yourself.

00:32:43.699 --> 00:32:44.139 align:center
I will.

00:32:44.219 --> 00:32:45.420 align:center
I'll do my best.

00:32:45.600 --> 00:32:46.240 align:center
This was fun.

00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:46.900 align:center
Thanks.

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Oh, thank you.

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And thank you guys so much

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for tuning in.

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Don't forget to go to JacksonCaesar.com

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and check it out.

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We're going to have the description

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in the description box.

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We're going to have that website

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along with a few different things.

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But I want to thank you

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guys so much for tuning in.

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Don't forget to dare to be

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different.

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But most of all, don't forget

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that you came from special stuff

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too, all right?

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Not excluding anybody here, all right?

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Everybody here.

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has someone that they want to

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probably highlight, go ahead and highlight

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them.

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Do whatever you need to do

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to make sure that you tell

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people about your person.

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It might be your mom, your

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dad, your sister, your brother, someone

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like Roland.

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It could be anybody.

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But don't negate to highlight them.

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I want to thank you guys

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so much.

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Until next time, bye.